Replies: Currie Rd Guard Rail

Correspondences Regarding Old Currie Rd Guard Rails and Handrail.

----- Original Message -----
From: berea3@webmail.co.za
To: HurbunsRR@durban.gov.za ; Thomas Govender
Cc: mike@demarcation.org.za ; Glynis Mungavi ; KeithM@dmws.durban.gov.za ; GovenderNev.m_westpo2.N1CITYPD@durban.gov.za ; Ken Hobson ; HurbunsRR.cesu_po.cesu_do@durban.gov.za ; MaphumuloV.PRCPO.PRCDOM@durban.gov.za ; chris@fardev.co.za ; coffeebay ; 'Kirsten Goss' ; Richard Noyce ; j.seldon@telkomsa.net ; Liz Mitchell ; nolazerv@hotmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:26 AM
Subject: Currie Rd Guardrail

Hi Ravin

I am delighted to report that work has commenced on the Currier Rd guard rail between Sydenham and Marriott- many thanks.

I'm a little worried that old rust is simply being painted over and that no rust converter is being used.

I am also concerned that the palisade opposite 451 will be overlooked as the resident there has done his own thing with it. The resident in question has his house for sale and is moving out of the area.

We, who are still going to living here for many years to come, would like it restored to its original style in order to conform with the rest of the street.

They are working very quickly so please respond with urgency. I am very willing to meet someone in the street to discuss the above.

Regards
Alain Latham
Vice Chairman
Berea CPF
www.berea3.co.za
C 083 7766765

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ravin Hurbuns" <hurbunsrr@durban.gov.za>
To: "Berea3 CPF" <berea3@webmail.co.za>
Cc: "Thomas Govender" <GovenderThomas@durban.gov.za>
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: Progress in Sectror 3, Berea

Hi Alain,

Our sincere apologies with regards to the matters below.

We inspected the area on Tuesday and should have all your concerns
sorted out within 3 weeks.

Kind Regards
Ravin

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Govender" <govenderthomas@durban.gov.za>
To: "Ravin Hurbuns" <HurbunsRR@durban.gov.za>
Cc: "Berea3 CPF" <berea3@webmail.co.za>
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 1:10 PM
Subject: Fw: Progress in Sectror 3, Berea

Hi Ravin,

Please investigate with Alain and arrange for this work to be completed urgently.

Thanks
Thomas

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----- Original Message -----
From: Berea3 CPF
To: Thomas Govender
Cc: mike@demarcation.org.za; Glynis Mungavi; KeithM@dmws.durban.gov.za;
      GovenderNev.m_westpo2.N1CITYPD@durban.gov.za; Ken Hobson;
      HurbunsRR.cesu_po.cesu_do@durban.gov.za;
      MaphumuloV.PRCPO.PRCDOM@durban.gov.za; chris@fardev.co.za; coffeebay;
      'Kirsten Goss'; Richard Noyce; j.seldon@telkomsa.net; Liz Mitchell;
      nolazerv@hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 12:51 PM
Subject: Fw: Progress in Sectror 3, Berea

Hi Thomas,

I still haven't heard back from anyone from The City re. our on-going saga as per below.

Kindly respond.

Alain
Vice Chairman
Berea CPF, Sector 3
www.berea3.co.za
C 083 7766765

----- Original Message -----
From: berea3@webmail.co.za
To: Thomas Govender
Cc: mike@demarcation.org.za ; Glynis Mungavi ; KeithM@dmws.durban.gov.za ; GovenderNev.m_westpo2.N1CITYPD@durban.gov.za ; Ken Hobson ; HurbunsRR.cesu_po.cesu_do@durban.gov.za ; MaphumuloV.PRCPO.PRCDOM@durban.gov.za ; chris@fardev.co.za ; coffeebay ; 'Kirsten Goss' ; Richard Noyce ; j.seldon@telkomsa.net ; Liz Mitchell ; nolazerv@hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:30 PM
Subject: Progress in Sectror 3, Berea

Dear Thomas

I trust you are well. Happy New Year!

It is with regret that, despite your positive email sent to us on 26 October 2010, none of the following matters have been attended to:

- Polymer manhole lids not installed (Sydenham walkway north side) and along Currie Rd
- Dilapidated handrail- zero progress
-'Old' posts and rails on the north west corner of Currie/Marriot intersection still not
removed   in fact this corner is a major eyesorecomplete with overgrown illicit vegetable
garden and general refuse.
- Guard rail installation in Musgrave Rd just before Norfolk Rd (never cemented into place/
in state of general disrepair still remains unattended to. We are having problems again
with crime and disorder.

A house in my sector of Currie Rd was burgled in broad daylight 2pm on Saturday 29th of January. I have been told that in the lanes below us (between Currie and Problem) there are prostitutes and drug dealers plying their trade into all hours of the night.

It's been 17 months since much of the above visible, physical degradation was first brought to your attention and, whilst some progress has been made, the general "class" of the area has reached a level where criminals, drug dealers and prostitutes feel "comfortable" that the area is one that is neglected and "below the radar" of residents and law enforcement officers.

Kind regards
Alain Latham
Vice Chairman Berea CPF, Sector 3
www.berea3.co.za

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Govender" <govenderthomas@durban.gov.za>
To: "Berea3 CPF" <berea3@webmail.co.za>
Cc: <mike@demarcation.org.za>; "Glynis Mungavi" <gmungavi@dgc.co.za>;
     "Keith McKinnon" <KeithM@dmws.durban.gov.za>; "Neville Govender"
     <GovenderNev.m_westpo2.N1CITYPD@durban.gov.za>; "Ken Hobson"
     <HobsonK@durban.gov.za>; "Ravin Hurbuns"
      HurbunsRR.cesu_po.cesu_do@durban.gov.za>; "Vincent Maphumulo"
     <MaphumuloV.PRCPO.PRCDOM@durban.gov.za>; "Chris Farrant" <chris@fardev.co.za>;
     "coffeebay" <coffeebay@iafrica.com>; "Kerry Hancock" <kerryhancock@iafrica.com>;
     "Kirsten Goss'" <kirsten@kirstengoss.com>; "Richard Noyce"
     <richard@resourcemkt.co.za>; <j.seldon@telkomsa.net>; "Liz Mitchell"
     <liz@thefabco.co.za>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Progress in Sectror 3, Berea

Dear Mr Latham,

The dely in replying is regretted.

Please be advised that we will attend to the following matters:-

    - We do use polymer concrete manhole lids and covers where we have problems with
      theft of breakage due to heavy vehicles. Please advise on location so we can
      investigate.
    - A copy of this e-mail is being copied to Mr Keith McKinnon for any attention to the
      request for street cleaning/sweeping of the pathway.
    - The dilapidated handrail along Currie Rd between Marriott and Sydenham will be
      refurbished and/or repaired.
    - The replacement of the 'old' post and rails on the north west corner of Currie/Marriot
      intersection was not supported by the Ethekwini Transport Authority. We will however
      arrange to clean up the area and remove the old posts and rail.

Regards
Thomas

----- Original Message -----
From: Berea3 CPF
To: Ken Hobson; maphumulov@durban.gov.za; govendernev@durban.gov.za;
      Thomas Govender ; HurbunsRR@durban.gov.za ; mike@demarcation.org.za
Cc: j.seldon@telkomsa.net; Glynis Mungavi; Liz Mitchell; Richard Noyce;
      Chris Farrant; coffeebay; Kerry Hancock; 'Kirsten Goss'; Berea 3 CPF
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 3:56 PM
Subject: Progress in Sectror 3, Berea

Good Day Gentlemen,

As you are aware, I have been in correspondence with you since July 2009 regarding matters of degradation in our sector in the belief that crime flourishes in areas where disorderly behaviour and urban degradation go unchecked. It is now October 2010 and I thought It would be a good time to report back.

Sydenham Rd Sidewalk (between Currie and Musgrave- Northside)

Congratulations to all concerned for this piece of upgrade. The girls of DGC can now reuse this as their cross-country route in the early hours.

We still have a few problems with it and wondered if you could advise us on what can be done. I have a few ideas but wondered if they were practical and who would be the right people to deal with this.

-would it be possible to fit concrete or plastic manhole covers?
-could we request that a street cleaner cleans this sidewalk at least twice a
week?

Other ongoing problems are the dilapidated handrail along Currie Rd between Marriott and Sydenham. We cannot understand how the exact same type of rail in Botanic Gardens Rd (op. Police Station) was reconditioned in May 2010 but this one continues to be left in a state of neglect. If this could be explained to us, we would be most grateful.

Report Back on Replacement of Guard Rail at Marriott/Currie Intersection

This started off well- we were extremely pleased. However, posts still lie strewn on the north west corner and the old rail has still not been removed as was agreed.

I thank you for getting the posts cemented in on adjacent corners and draw your attention to the same type of guard rail installation in Musgrave Rd just before Norfolk Rd (see below) where posts were never cemented into place and it now lies in a state of general disrepair.

I hope we are not being too petty and would like to congratulate you on efforts thus far- it is appreciated and helps to portray "The City" in a better light amongst residents who often bemoan service delivery.

Kindest regards

Alain Latham
Vice-Chairman
Berea CPF, Sector 3 www.berea3.co.za
083-7766765

----- Original Message -----
From: Berea3 CPF
To: Thomas Govender ; Ken Hobson ; Derek Rogers
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:41 PM
Subject: Fw: Currie/Marriot

Sorry, I get it now... and agree- there is no need for a guard rail on this corner. However, can anyone give me some info on the hand rail saga. Pieces are falling off it every day.

Alain

----- Original Message -----
From: Berea3 CPF
To: Thomas Govender ; Ken Hobson ; Derek Rogers
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Currie/Marriot

Hi all

We are delighted with the replacement of the guard rails at the intersection. You also need to do it on the corner of Currie and Milner.

But re. the HAND rail along Currie, I see you wrote "I don't believe the railings warrant being > replaced. Just remove all the old stuff".

It is to this that I wrote: "The point of the handrail was to keep
pedestrians (who have just parked their car) from falling down onto the pavement 1m below... the same reason as to why there is a handrail down the middle of Botanical Gardens Rd opposite the Police Station (which was very nicely restored in May 2010). If the handrail was removed and someone fell and broke a leg, would The Municipality be liable for damages?... is the question that needs to be asked."

Regards
Alain

----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Govender
To: Berea3 CPF, Ken Hobson ; Derek Rogers
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Currie/Marriot

Hi All,

Please note that comments from Rajen Govender of the Ethekwini Transport
Authority (ETA) are in relation to the W-beam guardrail at the north west
corner of the Currie /Marriot Rd intersection. The old railway sleeper post
and wooden rail was meant to serve as a crash barrier/guard rail and not as
a hand rail. As can be seen from the attached photo, there is no drop of
from the sidewalk. ETA are responsible for advising on the need for
guardrails, and we will therefore not replace the rail as per advice from
ETA.

Regards
Thomas

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From: Berea3 CPF
To: Thomas Govender ; Ken Hobson ; Derek Rogers
Date: Thursday, September 16, 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: Currie/Marriot

'Morning all,

Has someone been out there to take a look?? The pavement is about 1m below the road level. The point of the handrail was to keep pedestrians (who have just parked their car from falling down onto the pavement... the same reaso as to why there is handrail down the middle of Botanical Gardens Rd opposite the Police Station (which was very nicely restored in May 2010).

If the handrail was removed and someone fell and broke a leg, would The
Municipality be liable for damages?... is the question that needs to be asked.

Regards
Alain Latham
Chairman
Berea CPF, Sector 3
www.berea3.co.za

----- Original Message -----
From: "Derek Rogers" <rogersd@durban.gov.za>
To: <berea3@webmail.co.za>
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 9:38 AM
Subject: Fwd: Re: Currie/Marriot

Hi Alain

Please see comments from Thomas and Rajen (ETA) after a meeting on site with Thomas.

Regards
Derek

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Rajen Govender 2010/09/14 10:05 AM

Hi Thomas

I don't believe the railings warrant being replaced. Just remove all the old
stuff.

Thanks
RAJEN GOVENDER
eThekwini Transport Authority
eThekwini (Durban) Municipality

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Thomas Govender 02 September, 2010 03:59

Hi Vishay,

We were recently requested by the local residents forum to replace and
repair some guardrails at the above intersection. We replaced the old wood
and sleeper rail on the north east corner and repaired the w beam guardrail
on the south east corner. There is also some old wood/sleeper rail on the
north west corner. There is a myriad of cables running quite shallow beneath
the sidewalk and I went out to see the problem. While on site I noted that
there is no embankment as on the opposite corners and a guardrail is not
really warranted. The house on the corner is elevated and there is a sort of
gabion retaining wall on the rising embankment.

Please look at the accident stats and advise if we should pursue the
guard-rail. I will ask the contractor to move to another site whilst you
investigate.

Pic of north west corner attached.

Regards
Thomas

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Berea3 CPF" <berea3@webmail.co.za>
To: "Derek Rogers" <rogersd@durban.gov.za>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Currie road guardrails

Fantastic Derek!

Now please take a drive past the Berea Police Station in Botanical Gardens
Rd and see how nicely the handrail in the center of the road looks. It was refurbished a few weeks prior to the World Cup.

Ours (Currie Rd) is exactly the same, probably fitted in the same period.
Why can ours not be refurbished like the Botanical Gardens one? Why can one road get an approval but not the other road for exactly the same thing/spec?

Alain

----- Original Message -----
From: "Derek Rogers" <rogersd@durban.gov.za>
To: <berea3@webmail.co.za>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:02 PM
Subject: Currie road guardrails

Hi Alain

Just a note regarding the above.

The contractor is attending to the curved rail.

The rails on the opposite side are problematic as there are numerous
underground cables etc. in the way.

Contractor stopped work here and we are busy trying to solve the problem.

I will keep you informed.

Apologies for the delay

Regards
Derek

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----- Original Message -----
From: Berea3 CPF To: Derek Rogers ; Ken Hobson
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:09 PM
Subject: Currie Rd Guard Rail and Handrail

Hi Derek

It's been a while since I did the walkabout with you and Ravin.

I saw back in July, work had begun on replacing the guard rails at the Marriott/Currie intersections, thanks! However, it remains uncompleted as follows:

   -posts are not cemented in properly
   -the rail on the south east side has fallen off and is being held on by wire.
   -the old tramline posts on the north west side still remain.

I also would like to enquire why work on restoring the handrail all along Currie Rd has not been authorized. I notice that an identical type handrail down the middle of Botanic Gardens Rd (opposite the Police Station) was restored in May.

Can the same please be done to Currie Rd?

Kind regards
Alain Latham

Chairman
Berea CPF, Sector 3
www.berea3.co.za

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Hobson" <hobsonk@durban.gov.za>
To: "Berea3 CPF" <berea3@webmail.co.za>
Subject: Re: Old Currie Rd Hand Rail

Morning Alain

Please see Thomas Govender's message on this matter below. The annual contract for sidewalk repairs has been awarded and work will commence shortly

Regards

KEN HOBSON
DEPUTY HEAD: ROADS AND STORMWATER MAINTENANCE
ETHEKWINI MUNICIPALITY

+2731-311 7428 tel
+2731-311 7691 fax
+2783-310 9813 cell
hobsonk@durban.gov.za

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Thomas Govender 2010/03/04 01:11 PM

Hi Ken,

Apologies for the delay in finalising this matter.

1. We have inspected the sidewalks along Sydenham Rd and have identified about 350 sq.m that needs repairs. We are currently awaiting the start of our annual contract for surface repairs to initiate this work as well as the conclusion of the water pipe replacement works in the area. - Action Trevor

2. The disused posts of the old "post and rail" type guardrail at the intersection of Currie/Marriot Rds will be replaced within the next six weeks or so as soon as our annual guardrail contractor commences.- Action Derek

Regards
Thomas

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Ken Hobson 2010/03/01 03:52 PM

Hi Thomas

Please advise of intentions so that I can respond

Thanks
Ken

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"Berea3 CPF" <berea3@webmail.co.za
2010/03/01 03:39 PM

Dear Ken

I regret to inform that nothing has been done about the state of the Sydenham Rd sidewalk (between Musgrave and Currie).

I took a jog along it on Friday 26th Feb and it is still in a desperate state of neglect... human feces, rotting bags of food,
litter and general filth.

I have also not heard a word from Mr Thomas Govender regarding this and the guard rail issue... a simple email confirming
that the matter is in hand would suffice.

Who can I contact regarding street cleaning as the cleaner responsible for Sydenham sidewalk is clearly shirking his
duties.

Kindest regards

Alain Latham
Chairman
Berea CPF, Sector 3
www.berea3.co.za

----- Original Message -----
From: "Derek Rogers" <rogersd@durban.gov.za>
To: "Berea3 CPF" <berea3@webmail.co.za>
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Old Currie Rd Hand Rail Hi Alain

We have not recieved a response from EAT. I will follow up.

Thanks
Derek

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----- Original Message -----
From: Berea3 CPF
To: Derek Rogers
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:49 PM
Subject: Old Currie Rd Hand Rail

Hi Derek

Any more luck re. this matter.

We are going full steam ahead in our drive to clean the area up before the world cup... with or without the help of our service providers.

The Berea Mail and Sunday Tribune are watching our progress with great interest. It's all on our website www.berea3.co.za. Please have a look?

Kind regards
Alain Latham
Berea CPF Sector 3
www.berea3.co.za
083-7766765

----- Original Message -----
From: "Berea3 CPF" <berea3@webmail.co.za>
To: "Derek Rogers" <Rogersd@durban.gov.za>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:37 PM
Subject: Fw: Currie Rd Guard Rail

Hi Derek

Have you seen our site www.berea3.co.za? Any more news re. the guard rail?

Alain
Chairman
Berea CPF Sector 3

----- Original Message -----
From: "Berea3 CPF" <berea3@webmail.co.za>
To: "Derek Rogers" <Rogersd@durban.gov.za>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: Currie Rd Guard Rail Hi Vishay

Please assist. If I can remember correctly, ETA was investigating the option of replacing the old timber and iron railing with a new guardrail in Currie road near Marriot road.

Please see the comment from Alain Latham below.

Thanks
Derek

----- Original Message -----
From: "Berea3 CPF" <berea3@webmail.co.za>
To: "Derek Rogers" <Rogersd@durban.gov.za>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:50 AM
Subject: Currie Rd Guard Rail

Hi Derek

How are things going regarding the old Currie Rd guard rail. I have had a good look at it and concur that on the corner of Marriott and Currie (north east), that the purpose of the rail here is to keep the vehicles from falling of the roadway (also Currie & Milner), hence it's made of old tram lines.

However, further down (from Marriott to Sydenham) as was pointed out to me at a recent meeting, this "lighter strength" guard rail is meant as a handrail for occupants of vehicles once they have parked to find their way to the various steps without falling off the edge onto the sidewalk lower down.

Kind regards
Alain Latham
Chairman
Berea CPF Sector 3

----- Original Message -----
From: "Berea3 CPF" <berea3@webmail.co.za>
To: "Derek Rogers" <Rogersd@durban.gov.za>
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Currie Rd Guard Rail

Dear Derek

So long as the end result is attractive.

Alain

----- Original Message -----
From: "Derek Rogers" <Rogersd@durban.gov.za>
To: <berea3@webmail.co.za>
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:20 PM
Subject: Currie Road Guard Rail

Hi Alain

Please see the comment from Thomas below.

Regards
Derek

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Govender" <govenderthomas@durban.gov.za>
To: "Derek Rogers" <Rogersd@durban.gov.za>
Sent: Tuesday September 08, 2009 08:39 AM
Subject: Currie Road Guard Rail

Hi Derek,

Please hold of on the instruction until I have a look with you. If the rails are to keep the vehicles from falling of the roadway onto the sidewalk below, then it is the incorrect application for the pedestrian rails. The rails as they are very deadly and may cause fatalities when a car knocks them, and the rail goes into the cockpit and impales the passengers or driver. We should have guardrails here instead.

We can get ETA to carry out an assessment in terms of the Council warrant for guardrails to see if it meets the warrant and then remove the rails completely.

Thanks
Thomas Govender

----- Original Message -----
From: Berea3 CPF
To: rogersd@durban.gov.za
Cc: anita.weedon@inl.co.za
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 4:28 PM
Subject: Currie Rd Guard Rail

Hi Derek

Thanks for coming out to see me in Currie Rd today and for the commitment to repair it. Below is the email originally sent.
Our main issues are:

- the missing "lower rails" and other missing pieces.
- rusty weldings (joints)
- breakages/improper repair to the concrete base
- attractive and unform restoration along the entire street.
- this must also be done to the piece of guardrail on the
   north side of the Marriott intersection.

kindest regards
Alain Latham
Chairman
Berea CPF Sector 3

---- Original Message -----
From: Berea3
To: eservices@dmws.durban.gov.za
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:51 AM
Subject: State of Currie Rd Guard Rail

Dear Sir

We, of the Berea Policing Forum Sector 3, are of the view that the link between maintaining civil order and preventing crime is similar to the process whereby "one broken window becomes many".

It's a known fact that serious crime flourishes in areas in which disorderly behaviour and urban degradation go unchecked.

It is for this reason that I am bringing to your attention the condition of the old Currie Road "tramline guard rail", a point that was brought up by one of out members recently. We all happen to like the old pallisade and would just like it to be restored to it's original condition.

I have attached some pictures showing areas of Currie Rd where this is openly visible.

Please can you reply telling us what your departments position and policy is on this matter as it is just one more "broken window" that is making our task as CPF just that little more difficult.

Kind Regards
Alain Latham
Vice-chairman
Berea CPF Sector 3
T 083-7766765 W
www.berea3.co.za

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